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supafacial by zeruch supafacial by zeruch
The first abstract I have been able to complete in months since taking up my new position (I have one of those career day jobs you know).

Originally inspired from listening to the new Coldfinger single Supafacial, I later took a Damage Manual lyric for the primary title: electric arcades run on secret oils (supafacial).

Yes, its horribly pretentious. But this is art, not modest manners.

mixed media on bristol + digital
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:iconjaninakiribi:
janinakiribi Featured By Owner Jul 18, 2007
...ahhh coldfinger...:worship:*
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Closs Featured By Owner Jun 6, 2007
the composition and collor effects SUPERB! WOW! :clap::clap::clap:
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b33lz3bub Featured By Owner May 30, 2007  Professional General Artist
i read through the comments youd already received and it was difficult to think of anything more to really add to it all. so the words that first came to mind when i saw this were:

block
purple
marble
this would look great in my room (the colors really compliment the cream orange of my walls)
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dr34mcrush3r Featured By Owner May 28, 2007
"+ digital " means its not traditional.. sorry. what you painted is.. but not the end outcome.
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zeruch Featured By Owner May 28, 2007  Professional General Artist
The bulk of the work, the techniques employed, and the materials used are done on an art table (two actually), and digital the aspect fulfills a critical but limited space where the traditional elements cannot go. I consider what I do coming from, and oriented by, a traditionally trained artists perspective, and I find the idea that because some part of a work is done digitally that it somehow automatically makes the work digital en toto, or that the idea of a hybrid is not possible.

What I do cannot be duplicated either purely traditionally or purely digitally, so what then?
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dr34mcrush3r Featured By Owner May 30, 2007
its not traditional if you change the work in a noticable way (other than contrast adjusting or scratches, etc). Altering it from the original hand-made work the way you have done is no longer a traditional artform.

there isn't a good definition as far as i know for what it is.. but it is unfortunately more digital than it is traditional, regardless how much time you spent with the traditional medium. the primarily visible effort is the digital alteration.

mixed media would be a better category for this kind of work. digital and traditional media are technically "mixed". perhaps you should ask the admins for a digital/traditional hybrid category?
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zeruch Featured By Owner May 30, 2007  Professional General Artist
Altering it from the original hand-made work the way you have done is no longer a traditional artform. And yet, as I stated, it isn't a digital one either. The method is fully integrated, and involves asyncronous parts done seperately in analog.

but it is unfortunately more digital than it is traditional,

It is neither unfortunate, nor can you likely determine where digital beginds and traditional ends.

regardless how much time you spent with the traditional medium. the primarily visible effort is the digital alteration.

Which either invalidates your prior statement (since how can it be "more" if the bulk of the effort was not) or you have an inherent dislike of digital tools that any usage taints the whole work in some unpleasant manner,

Regardless, this can be debated in circles, something I have next to zero concern for.

As for creating a new gallery, I am an admin (of the Traditional galleries) and see little need for it as yet. Frankly, I find the hard delineation between traditional and digital worlds arbitrary, unecessary, and mostly functions as fodder for endless rhetorical knashing of teeth.
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dr34mcrush3r Featured By Owner May 31, 2007
As your position states, you are merely confirming my suspicions that the admins of DA care little for traditional medium in its pure forms.

The distinction between digital and traditional artforms is not unnecessary as blurring those lines is patently dishonest and shows a disregard for say.. the great masters of traditional mediums.

What the concern here hinges upon is the fact that what you've done is not "traditional" by any sense, but rather a mixed method.

My position on digital art is not dislike, as quite frankly, it is the form that pays my bills. My position is that traditional art is a historically proven model and should be respected as seperate and entirely different from the digital realm.

If you have merely "fixed" or "repaired" a traditional work in a digital way, you have not crossed any lines. When you visually alter a work in a noticable way you HAVE crossed that line between a purely traditional means and a mixed medium of sorts.

Surely you can admit that what you've done is NOT traditional, but rather a MIXED form.

It absolutely IS unfortunate that as an admin you cannot abide by the rules clearly dilineated for the submission categories.
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zeruch Featured By Owner Jun 3, 2007  Professional General Artist
As your position states, you are merely confirming my suspicions that the admins of DA care little for traditional medium in its pure forms.

My position states one thing and one thing only...my position. Your extrapolation is both inaccurate and borderline histrionic. The arts, regardless of medium, has never been a static entity, and I have found it an exercise in futility to fixate on arbitrary definitions of "purity" of form.

As for the rest of your post, you are entitled to that opinion, and it is your to have. I stated before that I am not going to get into the invariable circular arguments that tend to come of these kinds of rhetorical volleys.
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dr34mcrush3r Featured By Owner Jun 4, 2007
Your inability to participate in an intellectual debate without resorting to insult as a rhetorical tactic is disappointing.

You've lost a watcher.
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